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Movement ID help for 1940s Helbros

I've seen Helbros watches with an assortment of AS, ETA, and Lorsa (some marked made in Germany instead of France?) movement
I can't find any identifying marks on this 10.5''' 1940s Helbros movement and I don't recognize it.
Just hoping that somebody can ID it so I don't have to remove hands and dial.
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forgot to link to the photo

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but it's hard to tell from that picture.
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with my photo skills
Can't find a photo on Ranft in the AS 12xx range that matches .. guess I'll have to remove the dial
I'll post back what I find here for interest's sake
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I haven't been able to ID it yet (even tried Bestfit dial side identification)




Can anyone else ID it?