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can someone help to identify my Elgin watch please

Hi there, could anybody help me to identify an Elgin wriswatch that I have just purchased. It is a gents wriswatch, The dial looks like a weave pattern in a light gold/grey colour and bears the name 'Elgin' and an 'E' sign beneath it. On the movement which is gold or gold colour, there is the wording 'ELGIN 315 - unadjusted seventeen 17 jewel, swiss' and under the balance wheel is a strange shape with the letters 'ASST' inside, and underneith that the numbers 1802/03. The case back (screw off) states 'ELGIN base metal bezel, stainless steel back', and inside the back 'Roberta watch case co. Germany 4409. Thats all I can give you as far as info goes, the seller wasn't sure if it was a gold movement or not or if the movement was from an older watch. Any held would be appreciated. Thank you www.dj-cases.co.uk/images/elgin2.jpg
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After Elgin went bankrupt in the early 1960's, they gradually shut down their US factories and shifted production overseas -- where they had their movements and dials and cases made for them by various manufacturers under contract. This is one of those watches.
From what I can see, this is not a "gold" movement nor is it a movement swapped in from a different, earlier watch -- it is simply a standard and period-correct Swiss movement, possibly with a rose-gold/copper wash over the movement plates.
Cheers!
-- Bokonon
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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from this time period with French-made Jeambrum movements powering them:
I'd just like to say that this is one of the nicest watch photos I’ve ever taken. What do you think, Paul?
Inside the Elgin.
Here’s another Jeambrum but with Incabloc shock protection.

Regards -
Eric G.


Illegitimi Non Carborundum
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...well, it is good, but then I've noted your watch pics have often been good over the past year or so. That manner of positioning the watch can often produce impressive results and it looks reasonably natural, (even though it really isn't, but neither are many positions we prop watches in for pics! That's all part of the magic of photography :-)
Sometimes a particular image will strike the photographer as capturing the watch very well and showing it off to its best. Having the actual watch there in the flesh allows this comparison, whilst the viewer sees only the image and so does not have that viewpoint. I have my own favourites pics I've taken that I think convey the watch better than others.
Paul.
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I have a Sportsman and cannot get the back off. It looks like a snap on and it even has a pry lip, but I cannot get anything to hold.
Any tips?
Collecting like a crazy man .. and lovin' every minute of it!
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Thank you very much for your help, It is a lovely piece anyway and I aquired it at REALLY nice price.
Thanks Steve
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But I’ve never been real happy with my photographic results, I haven’t been able to get very good consistency in quality. Maybe it’s time to get a light box and start hanging around the Time Exposure Forum.
I feel that most of my watch photos tend to come out looking a lot like this:
BTW: I noticed that I mistyped, the French ébauche maker should be spelled “Jeambrun.”

Regards -
Eric G.


Illegitimi Non Carborundum
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about the Sportsman that I worked on, it may even have had a threaded caseback.
I have encountered some seriously stubborn snap backs over the years, though. For the particularly difficult ones, I usually bring them to my watchmaker friend who opens them for me. I’ve seen him use a special Bergeon pry tool and gently tap it with a small hammer in order to pop it.


Regards -
Eric G.


Illegitimi Non Carborundum
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...if you wish to match the inimitable photographer, Yabe Relles.
One day, many years back, Rob B and I were talking about how bad much of the photography of ebay watch sellers was. I took the pics below to post up on TZ, just as joke, under the name "Yabe Relles" (read the name backward. In those days you could change your post ID. By the way, that's a pair of Rob's shoes in the first shot). A bit of fun and it was soon forgotten about. Funnily enough, though, years later I saw these same pics being posted up on various watch websites as examples of real ebay watch photography. I didn't do anything to spoil that belief :-)
Paul.
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gauntlet in the Challenge of the Crappy Photo. You will make a worthy adversary, my friend.
Behold this wrist shot and weep!!!

Regards -
Eric G.


Illegitimi Non Carborundum
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Gentlemen, you have outdone yourselves.
Laura _______ watches
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...your application to the Yabe Relles School of Watch Photography would probably be quite successful. In fact, you may even be over-qualified!

Paul.